On Sept. 11, Michigan representatives proposed an internet content ban bill unlike any of the others we’ve seen: This particularly far-reaching legislation would ban not only many types of online content, but also the ability to legally use any VPN.
The bill, called the Anticorruption of Public Morals Act and advanced by six Republican representatives, would ban a wide variety of adult content online, ranging from ASMR and adult manga to AI content and any depiction of transgender people. It also seeks to ban all use of VPNs, foreign or US-produced.
Main issue I have with this article, and a lot of articles on this topic, is it doesn’t address the issue of youth access to porn. I think any semi-intelligent person knows this is a parenting issue, but unfortunately that cat’s out of the bag, thanks to the right. “Proliferation of porn” is the '90s crime scare (that never really died) all over again. If a politician or industry expert is speaking against bills like this, their talking points have to include:
- Privacy-respecting alternatives that promise parents that their precious babies won’t be able to access that horrible dangerous porn! (I don’t argue that porn can’t be dangerous, but this is yet another disingenuous right-wing culture (holy) war)
- Addressing that vagueness in the bill sets up the government as morality police (it’s right there in the title of the bill, FFS), and NOBODY in a “free” country should ever want that.
- Stop saying it can be bypassed with technology. The VPN ban in this bill is a reaction to talking points like that.
- Recognize and call out that this has nothing to do with protecting children and everything to do with a religious minority imposing its will on the rest of the country (plenty of recent examples to pull from here).
Unfortunately this is becoming enough of “A Thing” that the left is going to have to, once again, be seen doing “something” about it. So they have to thread a needle of “protecting kids,” while respecting the privacy of their parents who want their kids protected and want to look at porn, and protecting businesses that require secure communications.
I just masturbated to these representatives. Legally that makes them pornography, and they are also required to be banned under this bill’s provisions.
Taking one for the team.
It was a challenging fap.
“Banning VPNs” has some real " I declare bankruptcy!" vibes.
Why not also ban cash? That can be used to evade detection as well and is notoriously used by criminals.
they kinda did in australia. If you want to withdraw more than $10K you need proof of what you’re going to pay with it.
“Corruption of public morals” is such a shameless name to put on a bill that simply tries to enforce your own morals.
Corporate media’s job is to manufacture consent. Please do not accept their spin uncritically.
This has nothing to do with kids or porn, those are always easy bells for censors to ring. It’s about control and tracking. They want to be able to tie anonymous online activity to your real identity.
Politically, we really need to stop accepting their framing that they’re trying to protect kids. These bills are only about collecting data.
surely Michigan has no one who works over the internet
NO VPN!
And the corporate world comes to a screeching halt.
These fuckwads don’t even understand anything about what they’re trying to legislate.
When shit starts being monitored, I want to see the legislators’ traffic public first.
And the corporate world comes to a screeching halt.
In theory, businesses would be required to register their VPNs and… idk, this would limit access to them somehow?
Much like with the Assault Weapons Ban and the assorted online porn bans and strip club bans and dry counties and SEC rules on insider trading, etc, etc, etc a lot of this boils down to “how hard do you want to work in order to enforce this?”
And the short answer is “we only want an excuse to arrest people arbitrarily”. So a VPN can quickly because a “everyone with an Internet connection is a criminal suspect”. And then you just harass the people you want to harass under cover of “we thought you had kiddie porn” as an excuse
I once worked for a banking transaction company (or something like that, I did their network and telecom support, none of the actual business) and they had offices in Russia. I was told that since VPNs are more restricted there, but required for the business, they had to have a special application with the government to be allowed to have the site to site VPN work.
I imagine they’d try to do the same, as well as grant them another way to be in the pocket of or have some control over businesses. If the government has to approve your necessary security software, you’ll want to stay on their good side.
It also seeks to ban all use of VPNs, foreign or US-produced.
That doesn’t sound like they plan on any exceptions. That sounds like the end of all business in that state.
When shit starts being monitored, I want to see the legislators’ traffic public first.
Oh my sweet summer child. Of course these laws won’t apply to them.
And if they do, they will make up shit to use the dirt you dug up against them against you.
Kind of like how when a cop shoots a black guy they look for whatever parking ticket they got 10 years prior as proof he is a cracking smoking cap busting gangsta who was itching for a bullet. Never being slightly concerned for the cop’s violent history or misconduct in various police forces.
Now now I didn’t say they were going to allow that.
“If you removed all the porn from the internet you would be left with one website, titled “Bring Back the Porn””
Scrubs was way ahead of its time.
It seems quite obvious to me that this will, in fact, not work. I’d even argue that nobody wants it to work. Only to introduce a law that a lot of people will break at some point, to have an excuse to target them later in the future if the need arises.
No project like this will produce any significant results in any western country. It’s simply impossible to implement without full supervision and control over the entire Internet. China was able to block all online porn due to having such infrastructure. And that was possible due to a vastly different culture. We don’t.
In general, the issue of widespread pornography is very analogous to climate change. We’ve been warned about this for decades, and yet, have done nothing to prevent it. All we can, and in my opinion should be doing, is limiting its presence in our societies, especially in the context of children. This would no doubt involve online ID verification at some stage, though that can be done with respect towards privacy.
The bill, called the Anticorruption of Public Morals Act and advanced by six Republican representatives, would ban a wide variety of adult content online, ranging from ASMR and adult manga to AI content and any depiction of transgender people.
Also, what’s up with targetting ASMR? It has no inherent relation to adult content. The transgender people part isn’t surprising and we know where that’s coming from.
This would no doubt involve online ID verification at some stage, though that can be done with respect towards privacy.
No it can’t. Data can be de-anonymized.
Of course. Any and all data, stored anywhere, either physically or digitally, can and will be accessed by third parties and bad actors. This is the harsh reality.
However, it doesn’t stop us from collecting various information about our nations, including personal data. It also doesn’t stop us from creating more and more digital national services. Are they perfectly secure? No, not even close. But the need for them and their benefits [usually] greatly outweigh the risks. Perhaps an online ID verification system is one such case.
It is possible to make it so that only the government has access to the ID itself, which it already does, obviously. If no other parties can access it, there seems to be minimal risk.
But the need for them and their benefits [usually] greatly outweigh the risks.
Losing the ability to anonymously criticize the government, the rich, and those in power is a non starter.
Worse, even if it somehow came to fruition it won’t solve the problem of kids getting access to porn. You’ll sooner get pornographic zines and sneakernet. This is a parenting failure, not an auth failure.
The goal here isn’t to protect kids, its to silence dissent.
Losing the ability to anonymously criticize the government, the rich, and those in power is a non starter.
Have you lost that ability in your country? In my country, and in all of the EU (except Hungary), we have a ton of national and EU digital services. And yet, we can and very often do criticize our governments. Including online official channels, where they always know our identities.
This is a parenting failure, not an auth failure.
How does parenting solve anything in a society where porn is everywhere, including on services made for kids, and where cities are filled with billboards depicting erotic ads? Do you propose we cut our children from all contact with the outside world and lock them in the basement?
There’s only so much you can do as a parent faced with systematic issues. Even if you’re the perfect parent, your child will still suffer from worse parents’ children, from poor state policies, and from nearly all outside factors.
The goal here isn’t to protect kids, its to silence dissent.
That’s most likely true. No arguing about that.
I’m merely discussing a theoretical scenario, removed from the rot of our societies. Kind of like universal basic income. In theory, it may be a great concept that could solve many issues plaguing us today. However, in real life, it would no doubt lead to the erosion of our rights and freedoms, which largely stem from our contribution to society and the need for our labor.
This would no doubt involve online ID verification at some stage, though that can be done with respect towards privacy.
This is exactly what the UK has attempted. It doesn’t work, either.
Porn is here to stay. “Children” covers a wide range of ages, and exposure to sex of some kind is not the debilitating thing it’s made out to be. The approach should be to contextualize it and educate about it.
Humans reach sexual maturity as young as like 8 years of age in rare circumstances. Trying to act like humans arnt just fucking animals is bafflingly stupid.
You can’t fucking hide humanity from humans. You want to prevent stupid kids from making more kids before they are ready? Or prevent them from easily being taken advantage of sexually?
TEACH THEM WHAT SEX IS, AND BE AS BLANTENT AS POSSIBLE.
The only thing that prevents people from doing something stupid is education and support . The only thing that stops people from letting others take advantage of them is education and support.
If you don’t educate your fucked up on bother counts. If you don’t support them you fucked up on both counts.
Pussy footing around, using complicated metaphors and flowery language does nothing but confuse children most of the time.
Kids are smart, give them the basic ass facts and they will understand.
Hell even teaching abstinence wouldn’t be so God damn fucking problematic if it wasn’t so wrapped up in religious bullshit to go along with it.
Just telling your kid what sex is, what porn is, that it’s risky and shouldn’t be done till they are older. But should it happen use a condom and talk to their parents about it. Would solve so many god damn fucking problems.
FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING PLEASE JUST TALK TO YOUR KIDS AND BE UPFRONT.
Also, what’s up with targetting ASMR?
Something with “morals”, I guess…
It makes them uncomfortable, and they can’t tolerate anything that makes them uncomfortable. The entire world exists to make them happy.
No, it makes them horny, because they confuse intimacy with sexuality because they get neither without force or payment.
Don’t forget to ban renting servers, vps and cloud services by individuals.
Don’t forget to ban renting servers, vps and cloud services by individuals.
I think Microsoft and Adobe might lobby against the latter… But if they could expand the ban to AI, I’d be in favor of banning all the other stuff as well. I mean, what good is banning and blocking smut, when you can just ask an LLM to generate whatever your perverted 13yo heart desires?
The news on this has been underplaying how bad this bill is. It requires ISPs to inspect traffic to ensure its no porn, meaning they would have to be able to decrypt the traffic. This makes a single point were hackers can access credit card data, personal information, and anything else you don’t want to share with the world. This assumes the ISPs are willing to front the compute cost of decrypting then re-encrypting and not just banning encrypted traffic because its the easy and cheap way.
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This is a test balloon. One state is needed to overcome all the technical hurdles like clearing VPNs for work. Once that is done it will be roled out everywhere.
Without ruling out VPNs, all the other internet laws don’t make sense. So this step is necessary and almost inevitable.
Yup. It’s their strategy and they’ve used it multiple times with great success.
The rule of headlines is that if it asks a question in the title, the answer is assumed to be no.
No, it won’t.
Because if the answer was “yes” then the headline would be writen as a statement of fact. If its a question then the news agency cant be held to account if it is either yes or no because “we are only asking the question.”
All vpns including ones for work? Not a snowballs chance in hell
They’ll start with banning all the personnal VPN providers to make it harder for people to acquire the service.
Nah, they’ll start by banning everything, then realize why that doesn’t work, then stumble over themselves trying to fix the mess they created.
They will ban legitimate businesses in capitalism? Hmm… sounds like a lawsuit.
What, you got something to hide bro?!
Sure, lots of spreadsheets with sales data.
With a name like that I would have figured some sort of mind map or Gantt chart
Huge tracts of sales data!
Bro can we not?
I thought I got lucky to be born into a family that was able to leave China, and I could browse the internet freely in the US. What the fuck y’all? Just let me have my unlimited access to entertainment in peace mmkay?
So… fucking… cooked…
Blatent First Amendment violation.
I mean what even is gonna be the difference between fucking CCP and this BS.
(Canadaaa plssss lemmme innn? 🥺👉👈❓️
Australia? 👀)You seem to be picking the absolute worst countries if you’re looking for freedom, especially online. Australia is already worse than the US in many ways, and Canada not too far behind. How about Europe?
I mean what even is gonna be the difference between fucking CCP and this BS.
Most notably, I’d say the fact that the CCP is a competent government leading the country into its golden age, while the Republican US government is driving its country into collapse. We can all have differing opinions about the CCP, but at least we have to give them credit where it’s due.
This is all your fault for sending those dmails :/
