I don’t see what value you think you’re getting from this conversation – other than expressing your anger, which is valid. Your anger is valid, if you are sincere, and many of us feel it too. We really are your allies here, and not your enemy. Your language suggests your are not a US citizen.
Yes, Kamala lost and due in part to her stances around Israel/Palestine and her chasing the ‘moderate’ vote she was unlikely to win. By blaming the losing party for the bullshit the winning party is doing, you are in part blaming the victims. We don’t want this either.
Literally anybody could have won if spineless cowards like you had supported them, but […]
What’s to say that village604 didn’t vote for her? That huge numbers of people didn’t vote for her even while they were unhappy with some of her decisions. Literally anyone could have won if “we” would just vote for them!?
I will highlight that we, “liberal” voters (language matters), did not get a chance to choose someone as our candidate. That’s a real issue and we need to hold the DNC accountable for that. We also had large amount of content (somewhat like yours) that ‘Kamala/Biden are bad because …’ but ignored that trump would clearly be worse in all cases. I can’t imagine that this didn’t depress her votes. This is hard to prove, but it seems unlikely that this was not in part built by non-US actors who wanted to destabilize us.
Long-story-short, we “liberal” voters are partially to blame for not turning out enough to get Kamala elected… but we also have a larger body (quantitatively) of trump voters who did show up. THEY are responsible for his policies. And the constant harping on “liberal” voters is doing nothing useful to make things better. I can only imagine that you are one of those non-US actors.
You stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump and worse.
I stand for empathy and compassion. For those that live in my neighborhood, my city, my state, my country and my world. I stand for Palestine. I stand for the homeless. I stand for the disabled, the war veterans, the disadvantaged. I am wealthy (comfortable, not millionaire), white, male, and a citizen of the US. When given the opportunity to vote for those causes, I will every time. I will happily pay higher taxes to let someone sleep tonight with a full belly. Your blanket statements against people like me only make things worse. Stop. Be nice to each other.
The anger is not valid. The anger is that of a misbehaving child and since you have to be of age to be on this platform this once again an adult behaving like a bratty teenager.
Credit where it’s due this is a much better response than anyone else here has heen able to produce, your bullshit is more subtle and thoughtful than most but it’s still bullshit.
Some liberals are potential allies, the ones still making excuses for the democratic party after everything they’ve done and continue to do are not.
My language does nothing to suggest I’m not a US citizen, it’s just standard operating procedure for dems to accuse anyone who criticizes them of being a russian bot and once again credit where it’s due you managed to imply it in an oblique and plausibly deniable way, very sneaky!
Kamala was not chasing a “moderate” vote she was overtly courting conservatives who anyone with a working brain knew she had no fucking chance with, because literally anything would be better for corporate dems than capitulating to even the most moderate of progressives in any way. They’d rather lose, and they did.
I’m not blaming you losers for what the winners are doing, I’m blaming you for losing in the first place because it was extremely easily avoidable, fucking duh
“If we would just vote for them they’d win” absolves the candidate of any responsibility to actually earn the votes
There was a large amount of content criticizing Biden and Harris because they sucked ass, and you’ve got no evidence whatsoever that the people making it weren’t also criticizing Trump, but claiming that’s the case is an easy way to discredit your critics
You are a disingenuous hypocritical coward just like every one of your compatriots here, you’re slightly better at bullshitting than the rest but nowhere near good enough
I don’t see what value you think you’re getting from this conversation – other than expressing your anger, which is valid. Your anger is valid, if you are sincere, and many of us feel it too. We really are your allies here, and not your enemy. Your language suggests your are not a US citizen.
Yes, Kamala lost and due in part to her stances around Israel/Palestine and her chasing the ‘moderate’ vote she was unlikely to win. By blaming the losing party for the bullshit the winning party is doing, you are in part blaming the victims. We don’t want this either.
What’s to say that village604 didn’t vote for her? That huge numbers of people didn’t vote for her even while they were unhappy with some of her decisions. Literally anyone could have won if “we” would just vote for them!?
I will highlight that we, “liberal” voters (language matters), did not get a chance to choose someone as our candidate. That’s a real issue and we need to hold the DNC accountable for that. We also had large amount of content (somewhat like yours) that ‘Kamala/Biden are bad because …’ but ignored that trump would clearly be worse in all cases. I can’t imagine that this didn’t depress her votes. This is hard to prove, but it seems unlikely that this was not in part built by non-US actors who wanted to destabilize us.
Long-story-short, we “liberal” voters are partially to blame for not turning out enough to get Kamala elected… but we also have a larger body (quantitatively) of trump voters who did show up. THEY are responsible for his policies. And the constant harping on “liberal” voters is doing nothing useful to make things better. I can only imagine that you are one of those non-US actors.
I stand for empathy and compassion. For those that live in my neighborhood, my city, my state, my country and my world. I stand for Palestine. I stand for the homeless. I stand for the disabled, the war veterans, the disadvantaged. I am wealthy (comfortable, not millionaire), white, male, and a citizen of the US. When given the opportunity to vote for those causes, I will every time. I will happily pay higher taxes to let someone sleep tonight with a full belly. Your blanket statements against people like me only make things worse. Stop. Be nice to each other.
The anger is not valid. The anger is that of a misbehaving child and since you have to be of age to be on this platform this once again an adult behaving like a bratty teenager.
Credit where it’s due this is a much better response than anyone else here has heen able to produce, your bullshit is more subtle and thoughtful than most but it’s still bullshit.
Some liberals are potential allies, the ones still making excuses for the democratic party after everything they’ve done and continue to do are not.
My language does nothing to suggest I’m not a US citizen, it’s just standard operating procedure for dems to accuse anyone who criticizes them of being a russian bot and once again credit where it’s due you managed to imply it in an oblique and plausibly deniable way, very sneaky!
Kamala was not chasing a “moderate” vote she was overtly courting conservatives who anyone with a working brain knew she had no fucking chance with, because literally anything would be better for corporate dems than capitulating to even the most moderate of progressives in any way. They’d rather lose, and they did.
I’m not blaming you losers for what the winners are doing, I’m blaming you for losing in the first place because it was extremely easily avoidable, fucking duh
“If we would just vote for them they’d win” absolves the candidate of any responsibility to actually earn the votes
There was a large amount of content criticizing Biden and Harris because they sucked ass, and you’ve got no evidence whatsoever that the people making it weren’t also criticizing Trump, but claiming that’s the case is an easy way to discredit your critics
You are a disingenuous hypocritical coward just like every one of your compatriots here, you’re slightly better at bullshitting than the rest but nowhere near good enough