• WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca
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    1 day ago

    Ladies and gentlemen, white US liberals when confronted with their shitty conservative positions. Saving this- it’s a such a perfect encapsulation.

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      Come on, now, be fair, I love dunking on liberals as much as the next leftist, but “Mexican men aren’t chauvinists” is hardly a conservative position, as leftists aren’t we supposed to make the argument that no people are a monolith?

        • Big Baby Thor@sopuli.xyz
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          15 hours ago

          chauvinism, excessive and unreasonable patriotism, similar to jingoism. The word is derived from the name of Nicolas Chauvin, a French soldier who, satisfied with the reward of military honours and a small pension, retained a simpleminded devotion to Napoleon. Chauvin came to typify the cult of the glorification of all things military that was popular after 1815 among the veterans of Napoleon’s armies. Later, chauvinism came to mean any kind of ultranationalism and was used generally to connote an undue partiality or attachment to a group or place to which one belongs. The term chauvinism also may describe an attitude of superiority toward members of the opposite sex, as in male chauvinism. Some animal-rights advocates have used the term to indicate a similar attitude on the part of human beings toward other species, as in “species chauvinism.”

          According to this definition from Britannica, men, women, trans people, etc can also be chauvinist. Men can be male chauvinist, in that they think they are the “superior gender”. But that doesn’t exclude the concept of female chauvinism.

          • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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            The concept of a “woman chauvinist” is irrelevant. It literally does not matter. What’s going to happen, are women going to take over society and force men into servitude? Stop them from leaving the house without an escort? Make them give up their careers? 🙄

            In a society that was built by men, for men, men’s chauvinism is a problem and an unconscious bias they all carry with them from a very young age. There’s a lifetime of unlearning that men need to do to not be chauvinists. Any man who has gone through this process to rid themselves of their chauvinism has no problem with statements like “men are chauvinists” because they know it’s true.

            • Big Baby Thor@sopuli.xyz
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              No it isn’t true, because it’s a broad stereotyping and generalization based upon “they who scream loudest” and negates any local culture or even considers the concept of a silent majority. Basically you’re throwing billions of people and thousands of cultures under the bus cause it makes you feel superior.

              It’s the same kind of thinking that helps to create more chauvenists, because you’re basically feeding people the “us vs them” mentality, also known as “otherisms”, that is the bread and butter of fascist, nationalists and the like that want you to think in those terms - because that allows them to prey on weak and infirm, who feel powerless to that type of shaming tactic, which then makes them go against the concept of humanism, because “all men bad” is empirically untrue. That then gives them an opening to think in the terms of their oppressor, because it is STILL a class struggle.

              You want it to be true as a matter of toxic mentality - which includes toxic femininity, which is the core of TERF thinking - and rhetoric as a tactic to try and shame people into being agreeable to your point. But it will instead have the opposite effect, which means your mentality and false axioms cause more harm than good. In effect it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, because it is blatant disinformation that refuses to see the actual problems of the world. That’s why the world of psychiatry has said it clearly: “men bad” basically becomes a feedback loop.

              If you think bro casts, think tanks and political interests are a 1:1 with the thinking of the general populace, you have put on the jogging suit and drink deeply from the KoolAid bowl because it is cheaper than therapy.

              When you use terms like “them”, I can’t help but think that you’re misandrist - and as I tell people all the time: misandry is just the other side of the patriarchy coin, opposite to misogyny. That in turn feeds the fire of chauvenism.

              I.e you’re apart of the problem.

            • 0x0@lemmy.zip
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              3 hours ago

              are women going to

              If given the chance, sure.
              After all, they’re only human…

      • WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca
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        1 day ago

        “You cant be a bigot if you have a [POC/LGBTQ/whatever else] friend” is certainly a hallmark of conservative discourse

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      Landed and gentlemen, the troll who literally never makes a comment on this platform other than to try and demoralize a doomed society of millions of people. Torturing people like this is clearly all you ever think about. It’s pathetic and you desperately need mental help.