• QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
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      No, you are using a different binary and I would argue you are using the incorrect binary as most are not dividing over support for capitalism.

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      Yea but you’re all not authority on any of this. So it doesn’t matter. The rest of the world knows liberalism as left of center. Just facts

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        we just had a coalition of liberals, "social"democrats and greens here in Germany. Believe me no one thinks that liberals are left of center.

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          This isn’t really relevant here. Social liberalism, democratic liberalism as categories are defined as left of center. A green group and another group labelling themselves socialist whatever isn’t changing what the definition is for sometime with different names

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            The “other group labelling themselves socialist” is literally the SPD but go off. You have no clue about socialism or its history, so I’m curious according to whose definition social liberalism or democratic liberalism is left of center.

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              Source: Wikipedia – Social liberalism

              Quote: “Social liberalism is a political philosophy and variety of liberalism that endorses social justice, social services, a mixed economy, and the expansion of civil and political rights…”

              Quote: “Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centre to centre-left, although there are deviations from these positions to both the political left or right. In modern political discourse, social liberalism is associated with progressivism, a left-liberalism contrasted to the right-leaning neoliberalism, and combines support for a mixed economy with cultural liberalism.”

              Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism


              Source: Simple English Wikipedia – Social liberalism

              Quote: “Social liberalism … endorses a regulated market economy and the expansion of civil and political rights.”

              Quote: “Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist or centre-left"

              Link: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism


              Source: Britannica – Liberalism

              Quote: “Modern liberals are generally willing to experiment with large‑scale social change to further their project of protecting and enhancing individual freedom.”

              Link: https://www.britannica.com/question/How-does-modern-liberalism-differ-from-conservatism


              Source: Cambridge Dictionary – Liberalism

              Quote: “Liberal political ideas emphasize the need to make new laws as society changes and the need for government to provide social services.”

              Link: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english-russian/liberal


              Source: Pew Research Center – Beyond Red vs. Blue: The Political Typology

              Quote: “Holding liberal positions on nearly all issues, Establishment Liberals are some of the strongest supporters of the current president and the Democratic Party of any political typology group.”

              Link: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/beyond-red-vs-blue-the-political-typology-2/

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            No. We’re right. You’ve been given references. Just because you obstinantly ignore those references does not make you correct or smart.

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              No I’m right I gave references, nobody has provided anything that has shown that liberalism is right

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                They gave references, you ninny. It doesn’t matter if you have references if everyone is bringing a lot more of rhem in to it, which they have.

                Again, obstinance should not be confused with being correct. That’s just being in denial… You are in denial.

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                  What reference. The only one was a link to something I had already shared and it linked to the one area of liberalism that is considered center or center right. So let me know which link I’d love to know

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            My other reply to you was literally entirely composed of a supporting link. Quit being disingenuous.

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              And I told you, you posted a link to classic liberalism. It is a subset of liberalism it is not liberalism